Apple WWDC 2020: iOS 14, ARM Macs, hardware rumors, and what else to expect https://t.co/PQf0BfjbH1 pic.twitter.com/lA0P8H3VkP
— The Verge (@verge) June 20, 2020
This. 1000%. As another business with exceptional customer care, this right here is everything you need to know about @Apple and IAP. https://t.co/2XpkrwNoZY
— Don MacAskill (@DonMacAskill) June 20, 2020
My guess is Apple will eventually announce a “new deal” for the App Store.
— Rene Ritchie (@reneritchie) June 19, 2020
My fear is many of us still don’t grok that we’re in the age of apps-as-content now.
“All” Music is only $10/m. A lot of video, $10/m. Books are fighting. News is “free”.
Needs entirely different models
HEY already has a 4.7/5 rating on the App Store! Tons of customers who love the app that's there. And our iOS team never stopped working on improvements. Thankfully the current app is pretty rock solid, but we have feature upgrades we'd love to push out.
— DHH (@dhh) June 19, 2020
Hey @pschiller and @tim_cook, I’d love to hear your thoughts on this next week at WWDC —> https://t.co/ApoO0RU5BE
— Jason Fried (@jasonfried) June 19, 2020
Separating out the opinion of something being bad for business from allegedly illegal actions is an important first step in the discussion.
— Steven Sinofsky (@stevesi) June 19, 2020
Apple has a long history of success that follows from "bad for business" choices. And also a history of over-playing the hand of success.
This poll is for iOS developers.
— Ben Bajarin (@BenBajarin) June 18, 2020
If Apple allowed you alternate payment methods and took no fee, but your app would never be featured or promoted in the App Store would you take that trade-off?
You could see this antitrust stuff coming from a mile away, but not only did Apple sleepwalk towards it, they doubled down on making sure there would be a mountain of evidence to bury them with. It's going to hurt them so much more than doing the right thing in the first place https://t.co/RsozJYllaD
— Steve Troughton-Smith (@stroughtonsmith) June 18, 2020
This piece from @jasonfried covers a whole lot of the problems with Apple’s App Stores: https://t.co/Ji4F1lpWCi
— Rogue Amoeba (@RogueAmoeba) June 20, 2020
These things aren’t just bad for developers. They’re bad for users and even Apple.
The funny thing about this App Store thing is that absolutely nobody has said anything that people didn’t say a decade ago. The only thing that’s changed is that Apple is now big enough to be firmly in the anti-trust crosshairs
— Benedict Evans (@benedictevans) June 18, 2020
This 'the App Store is a business, they can do what they want' thing is nonsense. The App Store is a utility. It defines the future of software. If you're not on it as a developer, you don't exist. If you don't have access to apps, as a user, you're excluded from the modern world
— Steve Troughton-Smith (@stroughtonsmith) June 18, 2020
This is one of many reasons why building on someone else's platform is something that needs to be approached with care. It will be a rough road, but I'm rooting for @jasonfried, @dhh & co to come out on top. https://t.co/imnUhc409T
— Mike Taber (@SingleFounder) June 19, 2020
“The wheels of legislative justice turn slow. It didn’t help Netscape any that Microsoft got some penalties years after its air supply had been cut off.” https://t.co/j2JmPcHm8W
— Ahmed Al Omran (@ahmed) June 20, 2020
Apple would like to think people are just upset about their tax rate, but it's not just that — it's about interfering with perfectly reasonable apps for self-serving reasons and pretending they're protecting customer interests, and channeling 'innovation' down pre-approved paths
— Steve Troughton-Smith (@stroughtonsmith) June 19, 2020
A hill I would die on: curated app stores have been hugely, unambiguously good for users and software developers, and especially for user security and privacy. 1/
— Benedict Evans (@benedictevans) June 16, 2020
“Apple, please just give your developers the choice! Let us bill our own customers through our own systems, so we can help them with extensions, refunds, discounts, or whatever else our own way
— Sar Haribhakti (@sarthakgh) June 19, 2020
Compelling perspective from @jasonfried
https://t.co/sHVKlLtdU4
But I cannot tell you how much it means to us to have had such a reception, and such support. Both from everyone using the app (or eagerly anticipating it!), and from everyone voicing their support re: Apple. Thank. You. No. Really. THANK YOU ?❤️?
— DHH (@dhh) June 19, 2020
What I find frustrating about the App Store situation is not the rules, or 30% cut, but that from the start Apple has contorted software business models into their media-distribution infrastructure. We are clearly limited to decades-old ideas about how songs and movies are sold.
— Tim Ritchey (@tritchey) June 19, 2020
So, @pschiller, please turn this ship around. Give us, and all the other developers who just want to make great apps for their existing services, a fair playing field. WWDC is next week. I guarantee you that nobody wants to hear bragging about DEVELOPERS w/o addressing this ✌️❤️
— DHH (@dhh) June 19, 2020
Apple will walk into WWDC facing some of its biggest pushback ever from the developer community since the App Store launched in 2008. My WWDC 2020 Preview on that and what to expect: https://t.co/xzDLaFGC8z
— Mark Gurman (@markgurman) June 20, 2020
A great take on Apple and the App Store, vis-a-vis the spat with Basecamp, by @siracusa here. https://t.co/eTdVaxG0xU
— Steven Aquino (@steven_aquino) June 20, 2020
I just asked for access. If I have to side load it, I will. Gladly. All of your products are good, but your ethics are better. https://t.co/uvb1mBtVn3
— Francine Hardaway #BlackLivesMatter (@hardaway) June 19, 2020
A realistic solution that would give Apple and devs most of what they want, and remove most antitrust pressure, would be the older, less-strict version of the rule:
— Marco Arment (@marcoarment) June 19, 2020
Allow non-IAP payments to exist, but not be reachable in-app, and let apps say “Go to our website to sign up”. https://t.co/JjPVya9E5F
The other that has always intriqued me was Oculus who gets around this because you pay for it in the Oculus app but the app gets installed on a different device than iPhone.
— Ben Bajarin (@BenBajarin) June 19, 2020
The basecamp founders spent a decade marketing themselves by deliberately insulting their peers, employees & half the tech industry. That’s their brand - a cool app run by trolls.
— Benedict Evans (@benedictevans) June 19, 2020
Apple still needs to rewrite its payment policies. If it doesn’t the EU will, and no-one wants that.
This is a good point: IAP really doesn’t make sense for multi-platform SaaS apps.
— Justin Jackson (@mijustin) June 19, 2020
If I’m on iPhone, and I switch to Android, what happens?https://t.co/d4fnyZ8IhX pic.twitter.com/FLIeYQXl9o
“We want fair treatment and the opportunity to compete without artificial obstacles put in our way” -- Thx for chatting w/ @horaciog and for your thoughtful take @karaswisher -- this is an important read. https://t.co/mQAQ2DGhnO
— Adam Grossberg (@agrossberg) June 19, 2020
@stevesi puts the App Store debate into the historical context surrounding Windows and shows why curated app stores make sense for users, even if developers don’t like them. It’s a long thread, but well documented and worth reading. https://t.co/OzZl2tA2XI
— Walt Mossberg (@waltmossberg) June 21, 2020
I escalated the analogy from the Constitution to the Old Testament. Felt warranted. It’s time to re-think and re-write the App Store rules. ? https://t.co/SbSJxY69WE
— M.G. Siegler (@mgsiegler) June 19, 2020
This whole thread is a really fascinating historical look at why App Store incentives are difficult, complicated, and “abused”. Highly recommended read. https://t.co/Ix5Vj7AAEm
— Don MacAskill (@DonMacAskill) June 21, 2020
This is a bad take. The fact that there are other viable app-based businesses that don't involve tithing Apple 30% does not mean every business can succeed that way.
— Michael Love (@elkmovie) June 21, 2020
Debate/discussion/rants about app stores (or perhaps The App Store) have rapidly polarized to the point where it seems difficult to have a rational discussion. Even trying to discuss is viewed as a defense. A discussion without defending. The situations are similar, really. 1/
— Steven Sinofsky (@stevesi) June 20, 2020
It's helpful not to lose perspective of the big picture. The loudest voices against the App Store (Spotify) want to change everything. This isn't just about revenue share percentages or unclear App Store guidelines. It's about who has more control.https://t.co/dz0k1nv7T4 ($) pic.twitter.com/PUvEv7zjlE
— Neil Cybart (@neilcybart) June 19, 2020
Really good points here. I also watched JF’s tour of the product (37 mins long—coincidence?) and it reminded me of Jobs: he truly cares about the experience. https://t.co/mdjVRGdoEZ
— angelday (@angelday) June 19, 2020
Still working on the best formulation, but I'm feeling like some version of "why do I have to pay Apple 30% while Facebook/Uber don't" is probably the strongest public argument against current App Store policies, as it disposes of most of the pro-Apple arguments in one swoop.
— Michael Love (@elkmovie) June 19, 2020
probably. Kindle was around from day one, they just chose not be in the App store selling content. Pretty simple back then. IAPs made sense for devs fo monetize things like users paying for new features, such as new levels.
— Michael Gartenberg (@Gartenberg) June 19, 2020
Apple developers in open revolt right before what's supposed to be the biggest Apple/dev love fest of the year (WWDC) https://t.co/NVS2B03rFN
— Christopher Mims (@mims) June 19, 2020
"Phil Schiller’s suggestion that we should raise prices on iOS customers to make up for Apple’s added margin is antitrust gold."
— Paul Thurrott (@thurrott) June 20, 2020
Ohh. Beautiful. https://t.co/LubPRnub6Y
(It’s fascinating to see how different the takes are between several of the industry analysts who focus on Apple. And all how different some of those takes are from media that cover Apple.
— Rene Ritchie (@reneritchie) June 21, 2020
My guess is focusing on 30% is less important than focusing on consistency/transparency.) https://t.co/ezbWA3DaZF
Generating controversy is one of the best ways to gain free press.
— Ari Lewis (@amlewis4) June 19, 2020
Instead of being another tech company, HEY has positioned themselves as the company fighting Goliath (aka Apple).
No amount of money can generate that type of press. https://t.co/sWSLIFFWLV
John @gruber’s take on @karaswisher’s column is spot on. This week we’ve hear from so many who are afraid to speak. There’s a tsunami coming, but you can’t tell until it hits the shore. The question is, when’s it going to break? https://t.co/omB5GfqN4r
— Jason Fried (@jasonfried) June 20, 2020
Great piece...distribution has costs. https://t.co/oVBZzYzGPy
— Rajeev Mantri (@RMantri) June 18, 2020
"[you] have not contributed any revenue to the App Store over the last eight years", oh suck it. How about you compete with letting folks have a direct relationship with their customers (on hardware they *bought*) and offer a compelling reason to go through your dollar store.
— Loren Brichter (@lorenb) June 18, 2020
I’m going to go out on a limb and say Apple taking a 30% cut is a bigger deal than not being able to handle customer billing requests directly for 99.9% of app developers.
— Dare Obasanjo (@Carnage4Life) June 20, 2020
I also think it isn’t the case for HEY but great positioning that it isn’t about ?https://t.co/LzoNUg1HNu
At Day One, our solution for App Store refunds (over the past 3 years) has been sending the customer a payment from my personal PayPal account. A 60% loss for us every time. https://t.co/JvH8EH6QNq
— Paul Mayne (@paulmayne) June 19, 2020
The App Store increasingly seems an archaic burden, not a reasonable fee to simplify software distribution.
— Capiche. (@capiche) June 19, 2020
Mobile software needed the App Store a decade ago. Today’s SaaS doesn’t. https://t.co/uDbcfrLDfz
“Apple captures 30% of billings through its App Store. My estimate for these billings were $67.9 billion in 2019 which means App Store billings were 13% of the 2019 ecosystem. Apple’s 30% cut of Billings amounts to 3.8% for the whole ecosystem. It’s hardly an oppressive number.” https://t.co/ezbWA3DaZF
— Rene Ritchie (@reneritchie) June 21, 2020
or you hit upon the key point: Apple's App Store is so dominant, especially to developers of paid apps and services, that other stores don't even enter the conversation
— Steve Troughton-Smith (@stroughtonsmith) June 19, 2020
“Let’s make the App Store insanely great.”
— Ken Kocienda (@kocienda) June 18, 2020
What if that were Apple’s philosophy? It doesn’t seem like it is.
Apple locked down App Store payments in early 2011. At that point around 10% of the mobile phones in the USA were iPhones. Today, 60-70% are iPhones (and 80%+ of US teenagers have an iPhone). That changes the conversation about what terms are OK.
— Benedict Evans (@benedictevans) June 20, 2020
Law students around the country buying leather-bound collections of App Store review decisions, etc
— nilay patel (@reckless) June 19, 2020
"When someone signs up for your product in the App Store, they aren’t technically your customer anymore - they are essentially Apple’s customer." https://t.co/AYfeRqPiaK
— José Luis Antúnez (@jlantunez) June 19, 2020
“Apple seems to firmly believe that its ambitious goal state can be achieved with something close to the current set of App Store rules.
— Jack Beyer (@thejackbeyer) June 20, 2020
This belief is not supported by the evidence.”
I half expected this from @tim_cook but not a product person & photographer like @pschiller. https://t.co/IlXLZauTpo
30% fee on Apple Store/Google Play is ok, as long as you have options. I find this whole “don't mention paid plans from outside our store” policy the must utter bull crap.@Apple must be fined. Like @Microsoft. $1.3B back in 2004. Let’s make it $50B now?https://t.co/b7Ezkrvo1f
— Nando Vieira (@fnando) June 20, 2020
This is the clearest, most devastatingly effective piece of communication I’ve read in quite a while.
— Daniel Beattie (@danbt79) June 19, 2020
File this under ‘New York Times Bestselling Author can write good’, I guess.
Well done @jasonfried, good luck with this whole situation. I’m off to upgrade my Hey trial ? https://t.co/6HeHpNGo2l
There is a quite widespread idea that you can retain the safety, privacy and trust benefits of the sandboxed app model while solving the question of Apple’s policies if you let people install multiple app stores. I think this is it completely wrong 1/
— Benedict Evans (@benedictevans) June 19, 2020
Great thread. I love the history “hot takes” from @stevesi.
— Mike Cannon-Brookes ???? (@mcannonbrookes) June 21, 2020
I remember all of these phases. https://t.co/CoW1XoRpwS
This is a good write up about the Hey nonsense. Related, my next computer will not be an Apple. Quality has gone down in both hardware and software while the Apple tax has gone up. But this isn’t about the money as the article spells out. https://t.co/56fXnUiyTn
— bsletten (@bsletten) June 19, 2020
Steven’s written a great history lesson on the value the App Store provides compared to the Wild West of Windows PC ecosystem.
— Dare Obasanjo (@Carnage4Life) June 21, 2020
That said there’s a big difference between the App Store providing genuine value & Apple being entitled to 30% of revenue if the customer owns an iPhone https://t.co/IaW06rx2Gn
Yes, it has. Technology's core is impermanence. And with time everything has to evolve. Apple thinks nothing has changed since it launched the AppStore.
— OM (@om) June 19, 2020
Think the App Store’s 30% cut is expensive?
— Capiche. (@capiche) June 18, 2020
Try the Kindle store, where Amazon may charge as much as 65% of your book sale price.
And even that might look cheap compared to physical retail.https://t.co/uDbcfrLDfz
Managing multiple billing systems (Stripe, Apple, Google) for a multi-platform SaaS app would be hell. https://t.co/1kgg7pdiig
— Grant McCall (@grantmccall) June 20, 2020
Hey @panzer there’s way more to the Apple HEY story than money. This isn’t about $ or %, it’s about Apple making it harder for businesses like ours - multiplatform software businesses - to do business. To help our customers. My response: https://t.co/ApoO0RU5BE
— Jason Fried (@jasonfried) June 19, 2020
“We thought Apple realized that developers made the platform, but this incident has explicitly made clear that Apple sees developers as a source of revenue only,” said Aaron Vegh, a longtime software developer. “And that’s a difficult pill to swallow.” https://t.co/rSxtPuksoC
— Peter Steinberger (@steipete) June 20, 2020
Somewhere, PowerPC is crying into a glass of wine thinking “I told you they’d abandon you too but you never listened!”. https://t.co/5aqpArZr4j
— Javier Soltero ?? (@jsoltero) June 19, 2020
This whole argument seems to be "iPhones should be dumb pipes". I don't buy the angle of it serving customers better for my credit card to be held at 100 companies, I'd much rather deal with paying only Apple, that's far safer! https://t.co/dR0hwIlhkJ
— Baz (@bazscott) June 19, 2020
Jason Fried: “Apple’s rules prevent us from servicing our customers, yet Apple gives us no choice but to submit to those onerous rules or not be represented on their platform. That’s flat out hostile - to us, to our customers, and to the community.” https://t.co/MtKIhXtti6
— Alan Jacobs (@ayjay) June 19, 2020
We’ve been arguing about Apple’s payment rules since the app store began. From day 1, there has been stuff that should clearly use IAP, stuff that obviously can’t, and a huge grey area in the middle where Apple’s rules are fuzzy, arbitrary & often look like pure rent-seeking 1/
— Benedict Evans (@benedictevans) June 18, 2020
The interesting thing about @dhh and @basecamp Hey versus @Apple over App Store pricing is that ... they don’t really need the App Store.
— Matthew Guay (@maguay) June 18, 2020
They need a mobile app. But SaaS doesn’t need the payments, licensing, and more that made the App Store worth 30%.https://t.co/T4PiinIh21
Apple should absolutely keep improving the App Store, but most of the things listed here are already possible, they just require a bit more work. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ https://t.co/gZ8a19UA84
— David Barnard (@drbarnard) June 19, 2020
Apple says they put customers first, which is what we're trying to do. I know people say "just use IAP", and if it was some consumable or one-time unlock, it be a no brainer. But a subscription with possibly hundreds of thousands of users, support will be a huge part of this. https://t.co/is6EYLDjeJ
— Zach Waugh (@zachwaugh) June 19, 2020
Oh nothing, just reading the New York Times.https://t.co/vsefE3r6SH pic.twitter.com/T3SmsvjDlY
— Jeff Johnson (@lapcatsoftware) June 19, 2020
My latest for the NYT with @jacknicas, handicapping the impact of Apple's expected breakup with Intel https://t.co/xrMNdjtsW1
— Don Clark (@donal888) June 19, 2020
Appleが月曜のWWDCでMacのIntel製CPUを自社設計のチップに置き換える計画を発表するだろうとの噂。
— ユーエスさん??米国株投資???? (@us_stock_invest) June 19, 2020
アナリストの見込みではIntelは毎年約34億ドルのチップをAppleに販売しているが、これはIntelの年間売上高の5%未満に過ぎないので短期的には影響は少ないだろうとのこと。https://t.co/UrZwtDrCDg
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— Wan Ki Choi (@wkchoi) June 20, 2020
- 이 보도, 애플이 맥 라인업에 인텔 칩에서 ARM 칩으로 이동 발표할 것이라고 말해
- 올해 macOS 업데이트, "iOS 업데이트를 컴퓨터에 포팅"하는 것 개선할 것이라고 덧붙여 https://t.co/ExJPcm4U4w
1. Read @MacRumors 2. post to twitter as own insider info ? https://t.co/9Fs7hOEDkT
— George Magic (☞゚ヮ゚)☞ (@Goran_Majic) June 21, 2020
Apple #WWDC20 • iOS 14, ARM Macs, hardware rumors, and what else to expect https://t.co/hYUFiGQaQR @verge pic.twitter.com/DTVAThalJE
— Jean-Yves Gonin, CPA (@jeanyvesgonin) June 21, 2020